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Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« on: February 05, 2013, 11:58:30 AM »
Hi Guys
Ok, not really a Building or Structure, but not having an 'Accessories' page, had to put it somewhere....
Spotted a review of Arkebuza 1/35 Barracuda Cam net on Armorama - http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=8266 -
and ordered some from A-Z Models (Ukraine) - the 2 piece variety. It turned up yesterday.

It comes unpainted - pic 1292, so is good as snow cam, straight out of the packet, though it'll need a bit of waterproofing before being deployed outside.
I painted mine  - pic 1291 - as per a deluxe camo blind that I got from the US years ago. This has bands of different coloured pieces of netting, with mostly different colours on each side
The colours are closest to these - Humbrol 226/72, 75/75, 116/86, 186/93 (Front face/reverse face) upper piece in the pic is the front face, lower piece is the reverse.

Having painted both faces & helping it dry with tissue paper, gently stretch it  - Pic 1294 -shows effgect of stretching on Right side only, Pic 1295 shows whole sheet stretched - don't over do it, it's paper and can break.
After that, crumple it, roll it in a ball etc, then flatten it out & apply.

Pics 1296-1298 - applied to my 1/16th HL M41. Still needs a fair bit of work, the square cut edges just look wrong, though folding the edges might work? I'm thinking that a soak in hot water (of the net) might improve the 'drape'?
It would be nice if it came in larger pieces (it's 3 X 6 in approx, A4 size would be much better). The other concern is that it's too uniform, the real net is more chaotic (or maybe that's geographic?), with the moon cuts in the individual pieces not being all aligned.
If you wish to make this yourself, there is a good tutorial - http://www.plasticwarfare.se/2007/10/how-to-make-realistic-barracuda-camouflage-netting-in-135/ - but it's a long & involved process.
Much easier to buy it.
Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 12:26:54 PM »
Addressing the uniformity issue, one way round it would be to cut the net in pieces & re attach the pieces in a more haphazard pattern, say at 60 or 90 degree or greater angles.

Another way, is to make it like I make my large nets (2 foot square approx), using various sized netting & garnishing with RTV silicon glue/sealant.

Pic 1299 - shows 2 differing types, plus the Arkebuza net in the centre. Left - large net from laundry bag, Right - Tulle netting, with both RTV silicon (bumpy areas) and PVA glue (flat areas).
pic 1301 - shows the Tulle netting up close - (Tulle Netting - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulle_netting -)
Pic 1304 - shows the edge of the Tulle Net garnish & plain Tulle net
Pic 1302 - shows the larger netting from cut up laundry bags
Pic 1305 - shows the edge of garnish & plain of the larger net

Pic's 1306 - 1308 - full size cam net, with various different colours, with comparison of Arkebusa product in pic 1306.

If anyone is interested in making the nets with the silicon technique, let me know & I'll do a tutorial

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 04:03:51 PM »
That looks good, I like  :D

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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 11:23:05 AM »
Hi Leo
I like that you like

Explored the hot water option mentioned above.
Basically rolled the net up in a ball, placed it in a pudding plate & poured boiling water over it, let it soak for a few minutes, tipped out the water, gently squeezed out remaining water (it's still hot), unfurl the net, then applied to vehicle, folding edges under, then left to dry.
Results below.

I think it's better now, the alignment of the cuts is not so obvious, the 'crumpling' holds better due to the soaking.
One word of warning, I painted the nets with enamels, not sure how acrylics would stand the hot water soaking?

Have been thinking about the the other option - cutting out pieces & rejoining them, though I think that'll require attachment to a substrate (net) to actually work
Will sleep on it....

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 08:09:43 AM »
Hi Guys
Had a bit of a fail last night. Had painted up my second set of nets Humbrol 66/93 & 226/91 - pic 1317
Wanted to work on the uniformity issue above, so decided to cut these, using equilateral triangle template (has 3 equal sides, so least work to do cutting & sticking together)- pic 1320
Had figured out 2 ways to do  this, cutting strips of net & applying glue then attaching the Arkebuza net, or using sellotape type product to do the same.
I went with the sellotape type product, which was a bad mistake, was too shiny & when I tried to remove it, it ripped the net edges - Pic 1321 being the result after tape removed.
Note that the "runs" of the pattern are at varied angles which I wanted to achieve.
In trying to remove the sellotape, I soaked the nets in boiling water, which reafirmed this as a technique to mould the nets, hence the pics 1318 & 1319. The net over the gunners & TC's sights, and the barrel wrap were major plus's of the technique.
Having thought about it a bit, would have been better to have cut hexagons, rather than triangles. Found this site which prints hex graph paper - http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/hexagonal/ - thought that 3 cm size hex should work. Ideally the barracuda pattern in each hex on the A4 page would be set at differing angles, cutting out all the mucking round with scissors & glue etc.
So does anyone have access to a laser printer that could do this?

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2013, 10:34:52 AM »
Hi guys
I painted up my 3rd set of nets, as previously, and applied these using the hot water technique - they're still wet in the pics. In order to reduce the uniform alignment of the netting, I've cut it up into various sized pieces & laid it so that it overlaps at different angles.

One mistake I made, was to leave the net in contact with tissue paper over nite, to speed the drying, however the tissue paper stuck to the paint & is extremely diffcult to remove - therefore AVOID.

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 11:26:54 AM »
Hi Guys
Decided to add a bit more garnish to my barrel wraps - long thin bits of camo net that I wind around the barrel.
Using T pins, I pinned them out on a piece of polyester foam - Pic 1394 - bamboo skewers & Plastruct H beams were used to elevate the net above ground level.
Pic 1395 - Silicon RTV was added to the 'blank' bits, to increase the density of the garnish - esp noticeable in the top piece between the skewers.
Pic 1396 - the 2 nd piece - long & thinner than the first.
Pic 1397 - again added silicon to the net - spread with a old butter knife - the clear silicon is more obvious in this shot.

Once dried - wait 24 hrs - then paint both sides, the transparent silicon 'blobs' on the net, creating a 3D effect, like Barracuda netting. It's weight also helps to give the 'drape' or sag that you see on the real net.
I'm intending to do a fuller 'How to' on this technique, just awaiting the arrival of more silicon.

Mal

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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 06:15:54 AM »
Hi guys
Painted the nets, decided to show some different ways of applying them:-
Pic 1405 - plain net, no garnish, spiral wrapped around the barrel
Pic 1406 - garnished net, spiral wrapped around the barrel - plain net is the lower one
Pic 1407 - Arkebuza barracuda net - wetted strip laid along barrel & folded around it
Pic 1409 - the 1st barrel wrap mentioned above (the fat one) laid on the turret - Pic 1410 - same from above - can also see the brass ring on barrel at barrel/mantlet interface.
Pic 1412 - Re did the Arkebuza barracuda net - wrapped this spiral fashion around the barrel, while wet. Doing it this way gives more 'body' to the net, but reduces the length it will cover.
Pic 1413 - the true destination for the 'fat' net - the M26 - spiral wrap
Pic 1415 - M26 with spiral wrap barrel & Tulle garnished net on turret - the Tulle net giving a smaller or finer grained garnish
Typically the barrel nets should be secured by cotton or light fuse wire. If your tank features a recoiling gun, allowance need be made for that - ie tie the net 1 inch from the mantlet.

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 11:54:38 AM »
Hi Guys
Headed to the bach, at the beach, for Easter. Dug out my large cam net, that I got back in the 90's when a lot of surplus was being sold off. We generally use it for shade netting.
According to the label - Pic 1447, when it doesn't fold up when I'm trying to photograph it,  "Camouflage Screening System - Woodland, Radar Scattering, 97403, MFR 53119"
It's a 6 sided net, not really a hexagon, more a truncated rectangle. Each side is 4.8m long, Total length 10.5m, Total width 7.5m.
The supporting netting mesh is 50mm X 50mm, there are two sizes of garnish mesh, the small 45mm across, large 100mm across (at the base of the half circle). At each corner there is a web handle - pic 1448, there are 22 hard plastic connectors per side ( 2 visible in this shot), at approx 200mm apart, which allow multiple nets to be joined together.
The rest of the pics show how the garnish is randomised, with small & large pattern cut areas. Being woodland it's mostly brown, but slightly lighter shade on one side, with the odd bit of green - Pic 1444. You'll also notice that garnish is applied to both sides of the supporting net - Pic 1446 shows this.

Converting to 1/16th scale?
Garnish 100mm = 6.25mm, 45mm = 2.81mm (The Arkebuza net is cut to 2.2mm, so close enough)
Sides 4800mm = 300mm,Tot Length 10500mm = 656.25mm, Tot Width 7500mm = 468.75mm (A3 paper is 300mm X 420mm, which gives some idea of the size vs the 1/16th tanks)

The Tulle net mesh I used above is 2mm X 2mm, the laundry bag mesh 5mm X 6mm, which suggests that if it looks right, it probably is right.

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 07:27:59 PM »
Nice pics Mal, thanks for sharing.  :)

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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2013, 06:27:42 AM »
Spotted on Armorama - AFV Club is bringing out a new camouflage net - https://plus.google.com/photos/103034407200039071837/albums/5904754163137193377/5904754166600210786?pid=5904754166600210786&oid=103034407200039071837#photos/103034407200039071837/albums/5904754163137193377/5904754166600210786?pid=5904754166600210786&oid=103034407200039071837 -
Doesn't seem to have actually been released yet.
Couple of interesting points - it's size - 181mm X 255mm (slightly smaller than A4(210mm X 297mm)), and only for water based paints - suggests it might be a type of plastic or nylon. Guess we'll have to wait till it's actually released.

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2015, 08:21:24 AM »
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 12:34:27 PM »
Spotted this on RC Tank Regiment - a new product from Germany - https://heng-long-panzer.de/RC-TANK-NEW-PRODUCTS/camouflage-net-2634.html?XTCsid=f2711d62bce644c0f615811ba0ed3c06 -

Camouflage Net in Size 1:16 army colors

After a long development phase finally brand new available from licmas-tank!

You will receive a technically complex manufactured and lasered camouflage net.

It is made of a very flexible and robust material.

  The camouflage net can be stretched about 32 cm up to a wingspan of 48 cm.

The front is painted in a Bundeswehr Flecktarnung shown and the back is dark green.

Of course, the camouflage net can be adapted for customization also to be painted and so different colored tanks.

Size of the camouflage net without stretching: ca. 32 x 32 cm

Max. stretching about 48 cm x 32 cm.

Size wise, at 32 cm X 32 cm, stretchable to 48cm X 32 cm - it's designed for 1/16th scale, so should be much better than the 1/35th scale iterations.
However, there is still the uniformity issue, as this looks to be a single size cut, with no variation in direction.

Mal

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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2015, 08:05:00 AM »
When I talk about the uniformity issue, what I mean is the difference between these - standard single run pattern 72957-0 versus this 72959-1 perhaps "variegated pattern".

Of course, the trick is to produce it.

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2017, 12:46:59 PM »
Ordered a copy of this new 1/16th cam net from Licmas tank in Germany - $14.95 Euro + Postage. Finally got here – they don’t post direct to NZ, so had to go via UK  – 82438-0
Unlike most of the laser cut netting I’ve seen before, it does not suffer from being too uniform, with the pattern all cut in the same direction. In fact, they have chaos down to a fine art.
It appears to be some sort of nylon, 300mm X 300mm, doesn’t appear to stretch, unlike their previous barracuda net, shiny & green on one side, patterned – matt sand yellow, dark green, sage green, brown & black on the other side – 82440-1
The cut pattern are vaguely C cut, but different sizes & shapes –82442-2-  The green side – it’s difficult to tell if the green side is all one colour, or different shades of green, as the light catches the different angles – 82444-382446-482448-5.
As it comes folded, the folds are still quite prominent when unfolded – 82450-682452-782454-882456-9. Tried wetting it down & balling it up prior to putting it back on the tank – 82458-1082460-1182462-12– but the nylon appears unaffected by the water – you can see little drops on it. I assume the folds will disappear with use. You can also compare it to the Arkebusa Barracuda net on the barrel of the M41.

Overall, it’s not too bad, though a little on the small side – doesn’t fully cover the M41 which is a small tank. I’ve not seen this particular cut pattern before, so do not know if it has a real world counterpart or not?

Mal
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Re: Barracuda Camouflage Netting
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2017, 12:49:08 PM »
Gary (Crius) on RC universe suggested I iron out the folds, so ran with it, but added a variation – added a sheet of non-stick baking paper, between the netting & iron – 82657-0 – the folds ironed out nicely – 82659-182661-2- Back on the tank - 82663-382665-482667-582669-6
I mentioned it doesn’t stretch – it actually does, but only a couple of mm - this is due to the cuts not being all in the same direction – and if you overdo it, it rips.
Licmas’s earlier Barracuda net does stretch quite significantly – one way ( from 32cm X 32cm to 48 cm X 32 cm) – 82671-782673-8-
You’ll be familiar with track sag, cam nets, which are quite heavy/bulky, do the same thing – but I call it ‘drape’. Unfortunately, none of the cam nets I’ve seen commercially produced reproduce this effect, though some of my own design come close.

Mal

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